It’s largely down to the user manual being a list of functions and not a step by step about the settings you need to get you from A to B, via C but avoiding D to Z.
It’s the cheapest option for the first time user, for existing users with a map and a couple of sensors a straight no frills purchase is the way to go.
The 705 is no longer a current device, still good but no longer in production.
See the Dummies Guide to the 705 for how many comments and problems it’s had. Hundreds!!!!
The Edge 800 is a different device, overlays like OS maps over the routable Garmin Navigator maps. No Waypoints anymore. Trust me you have not made the wrong choice, you don’t downgrade to Windows 95 do you.
Using just the PCbasemap will give you a heap of problems depending on your settings.
- Edge 800
- Bike mount
- AC charger
- USB cable
- Quick start manual
This feature is usable on any Edge with a Garmin Routable Map.
Update 19 May 2012.
Changes made from version 2.20 to 2.40:
o Improved training page setup and increased number of user defined training pages to 5.
o Added a lap summary training page.
o Increased number of bike profiles to 5.
o Added Normalized Power (NP), Intensity Factor (IF), and Training Stress Score (TSS) data metrics.
o Made improvements to courses.
o Made improvements to workouts.
o Made improvements to map drawing.
o Fixed issues with Auto Scroll causing the device to become unresponsive.
o Added support for left / right balance for supported power meters
Use the Webupdater software to update your 800Changes made from version 2.10 to 2.20:
- Added setting to turn on 1 second recording in Settings > System >
- Fixed an issue that could cause large jumps in position and distance.
- Added Last Lap Power data field.
- Fixed an issue that was causing ANT sensors to not pair as expected.
- Added a setting to enable a prompt to recalculate during navigation.
- Courses are now usable with GPS turned Off and a connected ANT+ Speed
- The Virtual Partner can now be manually synchronized by pressing and holding
on the Virtual Partner graphic.
- Fixed a speed zone field display issue.
- Improved course navigation.
- Fixed issues viewing an activity in progress from the history menu.
- Fixed issue with some Mac users not being able to connect to device without
resetting the timer.
- Fixed some display issues when using a weight scale.
- Fixed an issue that could cause distance to not accumulating after switching
bike profiles while the timer is running.
- Fixed a few issues while editing workouts and a display issue while doing a
workout in night mode.
- Fixed a display issue while doing a workout in night mode.
- Improved elevation calibration when manually setting device elevation.
Version 2-20 first ride.
Well it didn’t work for me, I’ve just had a terrible time doing a 20 odd mile Course with the unit continually Auto Pausing with the cadence sensor turned off but still registering on the display. Speed was zero so no gradient. Last week it was over reading this week it hardly read at all.
USB Drivers software version 2.3
Ability to download other peoples rides straight into your Edge with the Garmin Communicator plugin (above).
If you share the odd Course or ride on the likes of Twitter, Facebook etc it looks great but misses out all the datafields that you see in the likes of TrainingCenter.
From the Garmin site.
Question: What pages have configurable data fields on the Edge 800? Answer:
- Power on your device
- Select MENU
- Select Settings (wrench icon)
- Select Bike Settings
- Select Training Pages
- Select the page you would like to customize1
- If present, check Enabled to enable the page
- Select desired number of fields
- If present, touch the green checkmark
- Select a data field to change2
- Repeat step 10 for all fields
- Touch Back (arrow pointing to the left, in left corner) to return to Training Pages
- Repeat steps 6-12 as needed for each page
Your Edge 800 will now display your desired data fields.
Or in Pictures
The important thing to note once you’ve selected Page 1 in this instance is the Green Tick/Checkmark . Select this and you and should be able to edit all your fields.
Once you see the above screen select the field you want to edit and another selection box will comeup. There are a lot of options at this point and it’s going to take some experimenting to find out what works for you.
If you’ve any eyesight problems reduce the number of fields on display.
Sqinting at your Edge while riding is dangerous to yourself and others.
There is a natural urge to follow someone with a GPS as it takes the load of route finding off a following rider. As with car GPS,s any errors can lead you up the garden path.
The Garmin Answer above is a bit too simplistic in it’s repeat steps 6 to 12, there are multiple pages to play with depending on what you want out of the Edge 800. It’s a totally different ballgame once you get into riding a Course as a multitude of Course and Coursepoint options are available providing you’ve progammed them in. Which brings us on to Routing.
Editing Screens Quick Method
Thanks to AndyL for this comment:
I just discovered another way to change a single field on a screen without having to go through all the menus.
If you touch one of the fields (e.g. bpm) for about three seconds, the field is highlighted and then the system goes into the page to select where you select what you want to be shown.
Great tip from AndyL, thanks again.
Basic Routeplanning is now available on the Garminconnect website. (September 2011)
Thanks to Cullen from RidewithGPS.COM for coming back to me with excellent article on Edge800 routing options. See below.
Also has a link to FREE GARMIN OSM MAPS and instruction on how to put them on an SD card.
Hey Frank, so I took some more time to further document things – here is what I have so far. It’s rough with no screen shots, but it has all the info on GPX Routes, GPX Tracks, GPXX files as well as TCX. TCX files, with Virtual Partner off, Turn Guidance on and Off Course Warnings set to on is the clear winner for the Edge 800.
Edge 800 instructions
Riding a TCX Course
Below is a TCX Course created with RidwithGPS.com , it’s nothing fancy just my ride to the Eureka Cafe.
It has CoursePoints for the turns so you get the bleep on the turns. Off Course warnings are on, this was tested on the blue spur you see on Brimstage Lane. Off course warning came on after about 75 yards. It is a different bleep to a turn bleep.
To check your settings press the spanner/wrench button on the Course screen(above).
Set them as below. These settings work.
Click on Map Display and turn Coursepoints to On. I also altered the Color at this point.
Return to the Course Screen, select Go and you should be on your way.
From what I’ve seen on a few Courses , Turn Guidance needs to be turned on and Coursepoints need to be set to On. These settings give turn guidance and a warning if you go off Course. The turn guidance will come up even if you are on one of the data screens. These setting gave an Automotive GPS feel to riding a pre-planned Course.
Spanner/Wrench/System/Routing/Recalculate Should be set to OFF
Route Planning Websites
Update September 2011.
GarminConnect now has a basic Course planning feature. It has been a long time coming and doesn’t feature some of the bells and whistles of the other sites.
At first glance you have to enable Turn Directions with the wrench Icon when doing the Course.
Essential because Garmin,s MapSource is pretty useless for Edge devices , doesn’t recognise any of your TCX files, can’t save as a TCX course etc.
I’ll list the ones I’ve used.
RideWithGPS.com Edge 800 friendly site now with a subscription service.
Good explanation of the various routing formats. Posted the Setting reccomended above. Could go far.
BikeRouteToaster.com Good site with options to route at the side of the road and Warning CoursePoints before the actual junction. This is handy as autoplacing of Coursepoints can be a little late when your approaching at speed. OSM overlays that are handy for Cycleroutes. Ie offroad.
Bikehike.co.uk Google and OSMcycle maps plus Ordnance Survey planning side box.
Supports Garmin Edge 800 .FIT format.
Largely underused but you can add your own as shown below, in my case Spin Class.Again selecting a Workout gives you more Pages of custom fields to play with, in this case I want heartrate and calories.
Don’t start me on calorie counting as it’s still hopeless. 3rd generation product and it’s still wrong. I don’t know what it’s like on the Forerunner devices but it should be better.
After my latest ride of a 50 mile Course the Edge 800 managed to get confused and turned it into 5000 miles. The odometer reading also increased by 5000 miles too. Luckily the odometer mileage is editable.
Free OSM Maps
Follow the instructions on the Mappomatic link to the letter and you’ll be fine .
Note you can only have one gmapsupp.img
In the UK the cycle map includes all the NCR routes so you’ll see the route number on the Edge as you ride along it.
The UK map takes up about 53 mb so s cheap 2Gb card should be fine. I’ll be posting a few more screenshots up in due course.
The above instructions from Mapomatic worked fine for me,first time.
Also on TalkyToaster
This video on youtube explains how to install the OSM maps.
Well worth watching.
Thanks to Rick for posting the following comment that will be of interest to all the Mac users out there.
I just found your very helpful guide. Nice job. Thanks.
Here’s a tidbit that I’ve discovered during the two months I’ve had the unit.
The unit (Software Version 2.2) does not always play well with my iMac (1.25 GHz Power PC – OSX 10.5.8 and 10.4.11) when connected to GTC. The unit will upload activities fine, but, after ejecting the unit and disconnecting, it freezes during restart. This requires a hard reset (hold lap/reset, start/stop and power button until unit shuts off and comes back on – be patient) which resets all data to factory settings including removing all recorded activities and added courses. The work around I use is to upload activities data to Garmin Connect (http://connect.garmin.com/ click on the “upload” button), once uploaded, click on “export” in the bar above the map and then click on “TCX file.” In GTC import the TCX file(s) you just exported (File>Import). The files will now appear in GTC under MyActivities/History.
Somewhat of a pain, but less so than reconfiguring all the pages and reloading courses.
The more I use the 800 the more I find, options nested really deep in the 800. I’ve yet to find any use for the old waypoints and still don’t know the Course point limit. I’ve some more screenshots to upload for the OSM mapping.
Nearly a year on and I’m still finding new features and updates.
Displaying Average Speed
Already covered above but here is a text reply to a question.
Hi Chris, here goes Wrench Icon / Training pages/ Timer then User Defined you should see 5 pages. Page 1 (mine has 10 boxes)
Select Green tick box.
Scroll down to Speed and select Average
The same goes for any data you want to change.
Altering displays really comes into it’s own when you start to ride a Course.
The Edge 800 will sync up with a Garmin HRM with out going through the sync process for the ANT+ plus sensors such as Cadence, below. You just need to edit your display to show it.
I’ve had a couple of issues with the GSC10 cadence sensor, mainly not logging rides. For a newcomer you need to find out how to pair it with your 800.
Spanner or Wrench/bike settings/Bike1/Ant+Speed/Cadence/Bike Sensors/Sensor Detail/Sensor type 800 next to the sensor Press the white reset button on the GSC10 with a pen or some thing and it should start flashing red or green. Rotate the crank, and it should pair with the 800. For a GSC10 it should appear under Spd/Cad and have a 4 digit device ID, make a note of it.
When you rescan it for any reason it should not be Zero.
Hold your 8
Hi Geoff, there is a similar comment in the ” Dummies guide”. I had trouble with my cadence sensor so took the battery out. A 40 mile ride would show up as 10 and so on. You can have up to 5 bikes now each with a different profile under Spanner/bike settings/Bike1/Ant+Speed/Cadence/Bike Sensors/Sensor Detail/Sensor type Select Cadence and you should get speed off the GPS and not the wheel magnet. There is an option for Spd/Cad and also Speed and Cadence they are not the same thing. Garmin GSC 10 comes up as Spd/Cad.
Your Odometer gets set to zero when you enter a new Bike.
2. Install a new battery backwards for 5 seconds to reset the device.
3. Install the battery normally and re-connect to the E800.In my case, cadence came back but speed did not, Garmin was kind enough to send a replacement GSC10. Kudos to them and their support.
The old Edge 705 had a limit of 100 CoursePoints the Edge800 now has 200 Coursepoints ,confirmed by Garmins reply to John below. It should not be a problem most of the time but certain Course planning sites give the option of add Coursepoints before the junction. Thus halving the number you have to play with. Note Saved Locations also eat into the 200 Coursepoints.
Sent: 30 May 2012 16:24
To: ******, John
Subject: Re: What is the maximum number of course points you can add to a course (KMM25228537I15977L0KM)
Dear John ******,
Thank you for contacting Garmin Europe.
I am happy to help you, in total you can save up to 200 waypoints/ favorites and locations on the Edge 800. This is a total amount for the memory of the device so if you had no waypoints/ favorites or locations saved on your device you could save 200 within a route.
If there is anything else I can help you with then please let me know.
Alternatively you can search for a solution here: http://www.garmin.co.uk/support
Locking the Display
Probably a daft question – Is there a way of disabling the screen so that when riding off-rode for instance the unit can be stored in a camelback – i’ve tried and the setings etc. all get jumbled as the screen gets touched inside the pack!
Hope this makes sense!
Hi Len, power up. Select the screen you wish to stay locked on and press the power button for about 1 second. A screen should come up with a red Lock Icon at the bottom of it. Select this Icon and your screen will be locked. Unlock is the reverse.
It’s also a good way to scan for the accessories too, I must put that in the guide.
Quick route to scanning for accessories
Hold Power button for 1 second, no longer or you will switch the 800 off.
Select the pedal (cadence) of heart (heartrate) Icon and rescan. It’s as simple as that.
Note, it depends on which Bicycle of the 5 that you are currently logged as riding. This could explain some cadence sensor problems. Wrong bike equals wrong cadence sensor.
How to simulate a Waypoint
The Edge 800 no longer has waypoints but you can simulate a Waypoint by setting up a location. If you’ve come from another device that used gpx files this might be a workaround.
It will be a slide show of screenshots to be uploaded this evening.
The more you delve into the 800 the more you find.
Images will be deleted when and if I can get the slideshow to work.
Repairing Garmin .FIT Files
Nothing more annoying than having your ride data corrupted,try the following link.
Still finding new features all the time, found another layer of options on Courses the other day. (May 2012)
If at the end of all this you are still having problems get in touch with Garmin.
The FAQ pages may answer some of the more basic questions, but because it’s a complicated device your particular problem may not be in there.
Ejecting a Garmin Edge 800 from a Mac Book Pro
QHow does one eject the Garmin edge 800 from a mac book pro?
A Thanks to Howard for this reply.
click on Finder, and under Devices you should see Garmin (and possibly something separate for the map). Right click on it, and one of the options should be “eject garmin”, which you should do. It sometimes takes a few seconds. Once done, do the same for your map, if that was also there. I then wait maybe 10, 15 seconds and then disconnect the garmin (if I do it immediately it sometimes says not properly ejected, so I learned to wait a few secs ).
Repairing a broken case mount.
Here’s a link on how to repair a case that the lugs have snapped off on.
It’s worth a try if you can’t stomach the Garmin fixed price repair.
Another option would be to bond it to the bracket.
My Recent Problems
Another re occurrence of the GSC10 Cadence sensor auto-pausing, running at 1/3rd speed and generally driving me to distraction. Had to turn it off mid ride and use GPS speed. 2nd Bike different GSC10.
Routing and turn signals on OSM maps is not up to Garmin standard and doesn’t always work. Not too big a problem as you get what you pay for.